Sanders Pierce says than when he was young, the media encouraged children to play 'Cowboys and Indians,' but today it encourages them to follow Negro culture.



Hello and welcome to American Dissident Voices, I'm your host, Shaun Walker.

Shaun Walker (W):Today I have with me a fellow National Alliance member who attended our recent Leadership Conference. His name is Sanders Pierce. Mr. Pierce, welcome to the Rockwell Studio, can you please tell us a few things about yourself?

Sanders Pierce (P): Thank you very much. My name, as you said, is Sanders Pierce. I'm the brother of the late Dr. William Pierce. I'm a degreed mechanical engineer. I worked designing jet engines, missiles, automation equipment, and production equipment, for about 35 years. I'm married. I have four children and four grandchildren and I presently reside in North Carolina. I first became actively involved in the White Nationalist movement with my brother and George Lincoln Rockwell. I have supported the efforts of Dr. Pierce off and on ever since then.

(W): Okay. Yesterday, we had talked a little bit about your childhood and we were mentioning Wiggers today and you said something interesting. You said when you were a youth you liked to play Indians.

(P): Yeah, well, when I was young, one of the movie genres that were very popular was the "Cowboys and Indians." And, I think it is quite natural for young boys, aged 9, 10, 11, and 12, to have an element of rebellion in them. So Indians were almost an idea model for us youngsters then. The Indians didn't have to go to school, didn't have homework to do and didn't have to brush their teeth [laughter]. Or any of those terrible chores that young men have to get used to. And so we would pretend to be Indians, and of course also Cowboys. But that was the way youngsters played back then.

Today, the movie industry and particularly television, with certain programs, such as the ones on MTV, present the Negro youth and the Negro culture as the rebellious element. And to the young men who aren't really thinking too much, or very well at any rate, might try to model themselves after the Negroes. And I might add that this is deliberately done, but there is an element of normal human nature in there, where young men who want to rebel. And since Negroes are being presented as sometimes rebellious and often as very successful in dealing with women; certainly very successful with enterprises that are out of the mainstream -- such as selling drugs. They are making enormous amounts of money with what they call music, gangster rap and that sort of thing. So, today we see a lot of White youngsters buying that sort of music, and walking around with a pair of pants on that are four or five sizes too large, with the pants hanging down to their crotch and baseball caps on sideways. The have a real slack-jawed expression on their faces and I guess they think they are pretty cool that way. It's probably just my prejudice, to a degree, but they are more ridiculous than we were trying to be Indians, and certainly a lot less innocent in many ways. It's very disturbing and is just one of many trends that I object to rather strongly.

(W): Right. This whole Wigger "culture" is part of a definite attempt to hurt White society. When we talk about the change in demographics in America, the Liberals and even the Conservatives, President Bush and the like, they are very comfortable with the changing demographics. With the change of demographics, Whites are not supposed to rebel against foreign races coming into their society; in fact they are supposed to embrace it. We have with the Hispanic people in California, and nowadays we have things like Cinco de Mayo, which is almost the greatest celebration in California. Here's an event in California that 25 years ago, not a White person cared about, and now all the White youth want to celebrate Cinco de Mayo. We see on MTV, a promotion of alien people, to be the icons, the leaders. And as you were saying last night about the Indians being more innocent or just having a more carefree type of lifestyle, but the Blacks are not just innocent and carefree, but they are portrayed as successful. They are promoted as successful. So, they are being created as that icon for the White youth to emulate. And, with this, what do you see, overall, as the end result?

(P): Well, there are several observations I would make. One is with our wanting to pretend that we were Indians was really quite safe, because we were a very segregated society. And so young White men weren't apt to run off and join some Indian tribe, or be hurt or corrupted by those games.

Today, with forced integration, and massive anti-White propaganda, we see young White girls foolishly dating Negroes and many of them wind up being raped and/or murdered. We see young White men foolishly thinking that they ought to be around Negroes, but they wind up getting mugged or beaten, and sometimes murdered. It is a very dangerous activity that is going on today, as compared to the rather innocent activity some forty years ago. And of course, some of the things being drummed into young White people come about as the result of massive of propaganda. It is sometimes referred to as double standards or Political Correctness. But generally, Negroes or any non-White group can complain endlessly about an injury they received at the hands of White people, at one time or another, whether that injury is real or exaggerated or completely fabricated. And they are encouraged to do so. And there is generally to be the media or a public relations agency for the "civil rights organizations" as a healing process, to discuss all of these things. But if any White person ever discusses pride in White people, then they are apt to be castigated and demonized with that worst word in the language today: racist. This is depicted today as the most evil thing that ever trod the earth. So, they are really being conditioned, being brainwashed, and when this is applied to young children this can really be quite destructive and very harmful to them. And I think this is being done quite deliberately.

(W): That makes me think of something. When you talk about make-believe that you as a child engaged in, or when we talk about Wiggers and the race-mixing effects we see, we're generally picturing a 16-year-old White kid who is listening to rap music. But when you look at kids much younger than that, those children that should be playing Cowboys and Indians, those 7- and 8-year-olds, they also are being inundated with this same type of propaganda. So, those 7- and 8-year olds today that don't act like much of a Wigger still see their 16-year old brothers -- the "Big-Boys" that they are looking up to -- who are Wiggers. So these children that are in the make-believe stage are trying to play as normal children -- the innocent of 8-9-10-year-olds -- they are being propagandized right now.

(P): That's exactly right. And, of course, so much of this really reflects back to Hollywood and the national media and those who control it.

On a slightly different subject, of "Communism versus Nazism," probably every fourth or fifth movie produced by Hollywood or every third or fourth movie produced on television will have some character on there who is a Holocaust survivor, or their aunt is a Holocaust survivor, or their great-great grandfather is a Holocaust survivor, but injury to Jews or racism is a constant theme from Hollywood. On the other hand, with communism, Hollywood treats communism as if the worst thing about it was it produced McCarthyism. And if there has ever been a show produced by Hollywood, shown in the national media or the big screens that really began to show some of the evils of communism, you can probably count those on one hand, even if you had been in an industrial accident and lost a few fingers. This sort of difference, this sort of mass distortion of history and reality is just part in parcel of the national media. The same thing of course applies to Blacks. Christopher Columbus was, at one time, universally described as a wonderful man, who was brave and visionary who opened up a new world for settlement and civilization. Today, more likely, he will be described as a depraved genocidal maniac. In New Orleans, schools named after George Washington are having their names changed, because, heaven forbid, he owned slaves. And so the most negative aspects about our heroes and ancestors are being used as the only description of men who were truly monumental and great. And their great achievements are simply being swept under the rug. This is brainwashing of our population -- particularly of young children -- and it is giving them a perverted and distorted view of the world and reality. This is a major problem today, probably the biggest problem. It is worse than crime, worse than mass immigration, worse than communism, worse than treason, is the corruption of our youth. That is an inexcusable crime and I can't think of a punishment too severe for the people that have perpetrated this.

(W): I definitely have to agree with that. When we talk about crime, we look at a man robbing a bank, but he is just trying to gain money for himself and it might only hurt the financial institution. If we look at a man beating another man in a parking lot, that crime is only against one individual. But, think about an entire nation, about one or two entire generations of a nation, and the natural feelings they are supposed to have towards their own people; that systematic corruption is an enormous crime, which is not really historically comparable. You don't have a time when this has ever happened before. Perhaps you might compare this to when the Romans conquered England and, the English people -- who were Keltic at the time -- complained about how the Romans were corrupting their culture. This was also similar with the great German, Hermann, also called Arminus. Hermann and the Germanic tribes that fought against the Romans, said that the way the Roman society came in, it changed the culture and the Roman men were seducing their women. And you can see a couple of historical parallels, but not to the magnitude or the intentional destruction of what we have today.

(P): Well that is certainly true. I suppose the changing of culture by force in Europe has happened many, many times, but you have to bear in mind that all European people have very, very similar cultures. And, so these were, for the most part minor. Now, I view them as minor. One can look at the Reformation and see millions of people killed over whether the Catholic Church or Protestant Church was going to be dominant. It was clearly very important to them, but nonetheless, either way it wasn't a drastic change in the values of the people. But what we see today is something really drastically different. When we are attempting to do something or the system is attempting to do something, the "civil rights groups" and all the media that they represent are drastically modifying the culture in America, so it is no longer a White culture. I would say, just as an observation, that you can ask any psychologist what the effect would be on a child if you told that child repeatedly that he's no good, he's bad, he's a bum. I don't think there's a single one that's going to deny that that's going to be, or could be, very harmful to a child. Now, the degree that isn't going to be harmful somewhat depends on the sensitivity of the child themselves, but the political correctness and double-standards in our society, in our media, in our schools, and often in our churches today, are being pounded on by young White children. And that is a massive crime. Now I will say on a positive side that there are many examples of students, high school students, junior high school students observing the double standards, pointing out the double standards and complaining them. When you take an issue such as affirmative action quotas against White people, we see the harm caused to be admitted to college, to receive financial aid so that one can go to college, getting contracts, getting jobs, getting promotions, getting recognition. Any poll that has ever been taken still shows a massive disapproval to this by White people, and it's one of the reasons why the media, and those who promote it come up with fancy ways to attempt to deceive people to justify what it is they are doing. I can remember very distinctly a quote from a chancellor of the University of Michigan Law School, who said: "They didn't have quotas, but they had a race sensitive admissions policy necessary to achieve a critical mass of diversity [laughter]. That's nonsense [more laughter]. The man knows that he has a quota, he was just …..

(W): George Orwell must smile when he hears such phrases.

(P): I'm sure he's smiling or turning over in his grave.

(W): One of the two.

(P): One of the two, but that is just so typical today.

(W): You hit on two issues when you talked about the youth that understand and see the double standards. Also, you hit on Columbus being a good person in our generations, but to today's youth Columbus is a bad guy, that Columbus is the killer of the Indian world. Things like that. With the youth that can see, that can still look at Columbus and say, "look what this man did." You have the German philosopher Fredrich Nietzsche who said that if he could have changed his life and had lived in any other time, he would have wanted to sail with Columbus on first voyage. That was the greatest thing of all that he thought to attend. So, we see great philosophers that idolized Columbus, and you still see some youth -- as you pointed out -- that see the racial double standards. But, on another issue that you pointed out, with Hollywood and its portrayal communism, these same youth that can perhaps see the double standard with Columbus, are not ever going to see that parallel with communism because they never seen that angle in the slightest.

(P): Well that is certainly true. History is being rewritten and falsified. As an example, in North America, there were by best estimates at one time, about one million indigenous natives, Indians in what would be the present United States and Canada. When Europeans came to America, they certainly did bring diseases with them, which in many cases decimated Indian tribes. It wasn't a deliberate genocidal attempt, but perhaps half the Indian population succumbed to the diseases. I might add that this wasn't all one-sided. Syphilis first showed up in Europe in the ports where Columbus's ships first arrived back. But that is only one. I've heard examples claiming there were 100 million Indians in North America, and that 99.5% of them were wiped out by horrible Europeans. This is just flat-out false information. With communism, again, the allegations of brutality by the Germans in particular during World War Two are just legion. But the fact that communists have executed roughly 100 million of their own people is not mentioned. These are not people that were killed during war.

The Soviet Union attacked Finland, attacked Poland, attacked the Ukraine and in all of these other areas that they conquered, the mass murders took place not then, but rather after they conquered. It was after they came to power, after Mao Tse-Tung came to power in China, and after Pol Pot came to power in Cambodia, after they were in power they killed people by the tens of millions. And, there is virtually no mention of that in movies and certainly on national television programs and, heavens, the way our school systems are going I'm sure there would be only a handful of schools in which that might even be mentioned. This is the sort of distortion of history that tends to give young people a very distorted view. But, one thing I would like to touch on that you mentioned was how many men, who haven't been contaminated and haven't been corrupted, could relate to Columbus. I think that is part of White nature to really want to relate to great people that did great things. How many people would have wanted to go along with the first rocket to the moon, to the first rocket to go around the world, certainly the first ship to go to America, the first expedition to climb Mt. Everest or some other mountain in the Himalayans, or achievements like that? It is White human nature to want to be first. That is why we have been in many ways so very successful creating, exploring and inventing. It's just our inherent desire to want to do things better. And that again is being, unfortunately, corrupted with the curriculum of the schools today.

(W): Yeah. When we really look at role models being set in schools today, and if you were to give a questionnaire to students today, you'd probably find most wanted to emulate Black basketball players or Black rappers. Many of these students probably don't even know who Neil Armstrong is.

(P): Oh, that's certainly true. Now I haven't been around schools in quite a few years [laughter]. But when I read some reports of surveys taken of students, we see 50% of college graduates are not certain in what century the Civil War took place. And 75% of high school graduates don't know who fought in World War Two or World War One. This sort of vast ignorance, I don't think is really a reflection of the ability of White students. It's really a reflection of the deliberate dumbing-down and modification of the school system to accomplish the corrupting of White people.

(W): When you talk about corrupting White people a little bit here, it isn't so much that they are being corrupted into a criminal nature, but rather their views and outlook on life is being distorted to such a degree that it actually hurts our race entirely. But there are some corrupting measures that are intrinsically harmful to the youth, such as the promotion of homosexuality. I've noticed myself, with one TV show that is popular called South Park. In this TV show, which is a cartoon that has an adult theme to it, it is designed to desensitize anybody that watches this show, right now, to not just homosexuality, but also to child molestation. There have been numerous shows, with joke after joke, and they are making light and humor of the matter. There is one character that is a federal agent on this show who always molests little dolls in a classroom filled with children. Every time he is in a classroom he makes a game of molesting a doll in front of a child. And this is a show on TV that is supposed to be humorous. This isn't just crazy Liberals that have no concept of real history. This type of deliberate desensitizing of such a gross topic, such a taboo subject, has in healthy societies always been abhorred to the highest degree. In Viking societies, child molesters weren't even executed publicly. They were actually buried in a peat bog, with their face positioned downward. That was considered the best way to get rid of these people who acted against this society. How do you see this gross promotion of the worst type of vices that are now being shown to the youth of America?

(P): I can't really respond directly to South Park, because I have watched maybe one minute of it and was so offended by it that I have never looked at it ever again. I can think of several examples. I know 20 to 30 years ago, it was very popular on late-night interview programs, and this was at a time that integration was just starting to take hold and there were gangs of Black kids just turning areas in the downtown, in shopping centers, places like that which use to be safe, but were turned into battle zones. Well on these talk shows they would typically, or at least very frequently, have a Negro comedian on, who was a skinny, very unassuming young fellow and he would say; "Oh these White folks are all so scared of us, so I saw a group of four or five White people and I said 'boo, I'm a Negro' and they all screamed and ran." They really tried to make fun of this Black crime-wave that has made almost all of our inner cities and many of our shopping centers places that are no longer safe to go. That's the sort of distortion that the national media regularly gets into. Also, programs that had children and adults in them; for years, when I was a youngster, when you saw any of these, the children were, for the most part, pretty well behaved. And that went on, perhaps, into the 1970s, with a program like The Waltons. But, the general trends that Hollywood produced for national television were programs in which the adults, particularly the fathers, were depicted as bumbling fools. And virtually anything they said, the children would come back with a smart remark and then the canned laughter would pour in. This is the sort of thing that went on continuously. It wasn't really humorous, but I think again, a deliberate attempt to cause children, the White children (since these were mostly White families), to disrespect their fathers. Hollywood is just a massive corrupting influence. And when I say corrupting, I might add, I don't mean corrupting in the sense of someone gong out and committing a crime. What I mean is that the normal thing for a parent to do, and this is a parent of any color I might add, is to instill pride in a child, about their heritage and their history, to teach their child the difference between right and wrong and steer them away from trouble. But, we have a society today where an awful lot of organizations -- certainly Hollywood and the national media -- are trying to shame the parents into not warning their children to stay away from homosexuals. And I think that this is one reason we have such a large increase in child molestation going on today. The parents should condition and teach the children to stay away from homosexuals. The schools should be delivering the same sort of message. Instead they are promoting homosexuality. But, this primarily comes from Hollywood and the national media. This is just typical of what is going on today.

(W): As far as the homosexuality, I remember not very long ago they changed the medical definition of a homosexuality from being a mental illness to being okay. But, from the beginning of time up till about 15 years ago, it was always known as a mental illness. Now, as disgusting as this is, where I grew up, in Hayward, California, there was this fag named Timmy James, who was known in the neighborhood as being a fag, but years later became the representative for the Hayward area homosexual youth. So he held an office that went for high school aged children, which was about 7-8 years ago, where the schools employed a homosexual to help "budding" homosexuals of high school age. Think about the immorality there. The youth at these schools are not supposed to be engaging in heterosexual sex, and yet they employ a homosexual to help the homosexual children or convert children into becoming homosexual.

(P): It is certainly an indication of the level of degeneracy that's occurring, but also, when you look at it you can see the double standards, the distortion there. What they "say" they are trying to do is, of course, help youngsters who are homosexuals come to terms with themselves because they have been subjected to so much prejudice and violence against them. And they may do that. But what they do in reality is try to squelch any legitimate criticism of homosexuality. There is, for instance, a fact that homosexual people have a much higher pedophilia rate than do non-homosexuals, for whatever reason. I don't' really know the reason, but that is certainly a fact. The Catholic Church just about went bankrupt because they insisted that if they hired a homosexual priest it would be no different than if they hired a heterosexual priest because the both took a vow of abstinence. But in point of fact, almost all of the molested children who have who have come back and sued were boys. Now heterosexual men do not molest little boys, they molest girls. So, this was all the work of homosexual priests. I am almost at a loss for words to describe how ridiculous it is to promote this in high school. But, it's not only promoting this in high school, it promotes censorship, so that any injury to homosexuals where someone does something uncivil or unkind to a homosexual becomes front page news. And anything that homosexuals do -- like kidnap and rape and murder a boy -- is hushed up because the latter is classified as hate speech. This is a technique that's used by all the degenerative forces in America, and is supported by the national media and Hollywood.

(W): Yes, I definitely have to agree, that that is the direction of Hollywood and the Jews who control Hollywood, and that is part of their agenda. And this will conclude our show. I would thank you very much for appearing on American Dissident Voices. Do you have last words Mr. Pierce?

(P): It's been my pleasure, and I certainly enjoy all of the great work that you're doing with the National Alliance and hope things continue to get better and better.

(W): Well thank you very much and hopefully we can have you back on American Dissident Voices.

(P): It would be my pleasure.

(W): Thank you.