In this exclusive two-part interview, National Alliance Chairman Erich Gliebe looks at his family background, his formative years, his personal and political influences, his core beliefs, and the sense of responsibility that made him answer "Yes" when William Pierce called him to serve the Alliance and his people.
Today, we're proud to welcome to the American Dissident Voices microphones Mr. Erich Gliebe, a man who had one of the heaviest and most profound responsibilities imaginable placed on his shoulders two years ago. Upon the death of William Pierce, he was named Chairman of the National Alliance, the largest and most important group working for the interests of White Americans and White people worldwide. He had already been chosen several years before by Dr. Pierce to be the chief executive of the pro-White music firm Resistance Records. Today, in addition to his role as Alliance Chairman, he continues as head of Resistance and editor of Resistance magazine, and he also directs the activities of National Vanguard Books, the sponsor of this program and publisher of National Vanguard magazine.
KAS: Welcome to the program, Erich.
EG: Hello, Kevin, it's great to be on.
KAS: First, let me ask you: How do you manage to do so much? How can you fulfill so many responsibilities?
EG: Actually, sometimes I ask myself that question. I work around the clock, constantly involved in doing one thing or another, whether it's for the Alliance, for the book company, or the record company.
KAS: You're also still the head of the Alliance's Local Unit in Cleveland. You're still involved there.
EG: Yes. I have a good Local Unit up there, and the members there have known me for a long time and have worked with me for many years, and, working together, the Unit is able to accomplish so much. I am looking for someone else to fill my position as Coordinator; I just haven't come up with the right individual yet.
KAS: It is amazing that you do so much. Can you tell me a little bit about your family background? -- and how old are you?
EG: I'm 40 years old and I was born and raised in Cleveland, Ohio. My parents emigrated to this country from Europe in the 1950s, met over here and eventually got married. My father was born in the German nation of Gottschee, which no longer exists. http://www.revilo-oliver.com/rpo/Ihr_Landchen.html Gottschee, which was located just south of Austria, in what is now Slovenia, was founded in 1330 by German tribes who had emigrated from northern Germany. The country ceased to exist in 1941, when the Communist partisans drove the Gottscheers out, burning and ransacking their villages, killing and torturing scores of them. Those who survived fled to Austria on foot, taking only what few belongings they could carry. That was a real holocaust. And, of course, you're not going to read about the fate of the Gottscheers in modern history books. They're just one of many groups of ethnic Germans, including the Donauschwabens, Silesians, and East Prussians, who suffered greatly before, during, and after the Second World War.
My mother also had a very tough upbringing. She was born in 1938 in a Bavarian town outside of Munich, Germany -- and she had to live through all the Allied bombing raids during the war. Remember, the Allies engaged in the systematic practice of bombing German civilian towns in the hope of breaking the backbone and will of the German people. The bombing of Dresden was probably the most horrific example of these Allied war crimes. My mother had told me of the horrors of being in Kindergarten, and first or second grade, and hearing tapping on the classroom windows -- which would be the signal for the kids to run down into the bomb shelter so they wouldn't be victims of Allied genocidal bombing.
According to my Mom, the situation in Germany got even worse in the two or three years after the war, when there was hardly any food at all to be found in Germany. In fact, the German people were so malnourished after the war that 92 out of every 100 German babies born in the summer of 1945 died within ten days.
KAS: Unbelievable. Now, you've given some hint of this, but your childhood, because of your background, must have been somewhat different from the average American childhood.
EG: Yes. For one thing, because of the hardships that my parents endured during their upbringing in Europe -- they virtually had nothing -- I definitely wasn't spoiled like most American kids today are. And because of the positive influences they received growing up under National Socialism, I was taught about honor, self-discipline, and racial pride at a very early age.
And, also very importantly, I learned about the Jewish problem at a very young age. Of course, it was a bit difficult at times: I'd mention the Jews to the kids at school and they'd look at me kind of funny -- they didn't know what I was talking about. Also at that time, the Jewish media were in overkill mode with an onslaught of anti-German and anti-White movies and TV sitcoms.
KAS: Now, your father was actually a soldier in World War II, serving on the Eastern Front, wasn't he?
EG: Yes, my father served in the German Wehrmacht, in an Austrian mountain division on the Eastern Front. He was shot in the face by a Red Army officer and left for dead. He summoned the courage to survive, but was eventually captured and sent to a POW camp -- a camp that was so brutal that the German prisoners had to sift through horse manure for food, looking for corn kernels or anything else the horses couldn't digest.
Now, fortunately, my father spoke a Slavic language, which impressed one of the guards who happened to "look the other way" when my father escaped from the camp. He eventually caught up with his company, and continued to fight through the end of the war, when he was captured and spent close to a year in a British-run POW camp.
KAS: Did he pass along any lessons to you from that period of his life?
EG: Absolutely, absolutely. He instilled in me a great sense of self-discipline, and honor, and racial pride and consciousness. I remember as a kid I would always listen intently as my father spoke of his war experiences. As a young boy, I would stare at the scar on my father's face where he was shot. And I tried to imagine what it would be like to fight to the death for something I believed in.
KAS: He was a survivor, wasn't he?
EG: Definitely. He was a survivor and he was a fighter. In fact, at the end of the war he even refused to surrender. He was captured after the initial German surrender.
KAS: What made him decide to come to America?
EG: Basically, it was because his original homeland, Gottschee, no longer existed. He thought he would be able to carve out a future in America, which was big and wide open and was in need of skilled German and other European immigrants.
KAS: When you were a young man or an adolescent, you took up the sport of boxing, and you eventually became a professional boxer. What brought you into that profession?
EG: Well, I had always enjoyed watching boxing, and I considered it to be the ultimate physical challenge for a man. When I was about 13 years old, I went to a movie theatre and I saw the first Rocky movie. Then I went back the next day and the day after that. And I knew what I wanted to do when I grew up right then and there. Boxing came naturally to me, and I eventually turned professional. I was undefeated in eight pro fights, with seven of the wins coming by knockouts. And I fought openly as a White racialist.
KAS: I have never heard of a boxer doing that. Are you the first and only?
EG: As far as I know. I don't know of any other. I don't know of any other athlete who has performed openly as a White racialist.
KAS: How did you do that? How do you perform as a boxer and as a White racialist?
EG: I used the moniker 'The Aryan Barbarian.' And, it was funny -- the members of the crowd either loved me or hated me. There were no fence-sitters during my fights. I was hoping to use my status as a professional fighter to speak out for my race. The non-White athletes were doing it. Black athletes like Muhammad Ali were heroes for their people.
And there are virtually no White athletes today who will stand up for their race, out of fear of being called a "racist."
KAS: How old were you at the time?
EG: I started taking boxing seriously after high school, and turned professional at the age of 24.
I remember a few years back, when baseball pitcher John Rocker made some truthful racial comments in an interview -- and he was literally tarred and feathered by the media and by major league baseball. Unfortunately, he then apologized and suffered an emotional meltdown, with his career never being the same again.
What we really need are some White professional athletes to stand up for their race. I think if they did that, it would open the doors for others, and it would move young White kids today to be proud of who they are.
Getting back to boxing: What I really liked about boxing is that often, what victory came down to was not who was the most talented or physically-gifted fighter -- but who wanted it more. Many times, in the early rounds of a fight, the faster and more crafty boxer will build up a lead, only to have his underskilled opponent absorb the punches, grit it out, and later pound out a win. In the later rounds of a fight, it is often three non-physical qualities -- heart, will, and determination -- that decide who will be the victor.
In my writings, I often draw analogies between boxing and the struggle for White racial survival that we are facing. Right now, our race is against the ropes. We have what it takes to win -- but how bad do we want to win this fight? How hard are we willing to work for it? What are we willing to sacrifice? Victory is ours, but only if we want it.
KAS: Intelligence isn't enough by itself.
EG: Exactly.
Unfortunately, many Whites think that the Jews are such a powerful force and are so well-connected that we can't defeat them. Let me tell you a little story; a true story that happened about a dozen years ago. I was on vacation in Canada, sitting around a lake, when a guy about 30 years old approached me and asked me if I'd like to go fishing out on his boat. I had nothing else going, so I accepted his offer.
We got out to the middle of the lake, dropped our lines in the water, and he began ranting about how arrogant and demanding his Jewish girlfriend was. And in the next moment, unaware of who I was, he told me that he himself was a Jew. He then delved even further into his own personal life, admitting that he was a recovering alcoholic and a former heroin addict who spent most of his free time watching porno movies.
I looked over at him and thought to myself: This guy is pathetic.
These Jews aren't all-powerful supermen. He didn't have a big "S" on his chest -- although he did have a big gut, and his pants were falling down...
KAS: (laughter)
EG: Anyway, enough said there.
KAS: The example of an athlete speaking out is something that we've talked about privately -- and not just athletes, but other White figures who are in the public eye. if we could get just one or two, it could start a tidal wave. Certainly, people who are at the top of their profession, including politicians, know the score about Jewish power.
EG: Sure. For instance, if a prominent White professional athlete would stand up for his race -- or if White Hollywood actors like Tom Hanks or Mel Gibson were to stand up and say they were proud to be White -- we would have so many people knocking down our door to find out about the National Alliance that we wouldn't know what to do with them. Imagine if a White businessman like Bill Gates were to wake up one day and realize he was White.
KAS: Someone in a position like that may be listening today, Erich.
If you did that yourself, at that young age, you must have already been very racially aware. When did you first start to think about the world in racial terms?
EG: As far back as I can remember, I was always racially conscious. I was always proud of who I was. And I always noticed that there were differences between the races; not just physical differences, but mental as well as emotional differences.
KAS: Why didn't the propaganda of the mass media and the schools rub off on you then?
EG: Because common sense prevailed. It also didn't hurt that I was involved in boxing, a sport that's predominantly non-White. You see firsthand the racial differences there. I didn't hate them -- but I prefer to be around my own.
KAS: I understand. Erich, What people have had the greatest influence on your life, and why?
EG: Definitely my father -- as well as Dr. William Pierce, the founder and former Chairman of the National Alliance. My father helped instill in me a great sense of self-discipline and racial consciousness -- as well as the determination to succeed in life.
And, though I had always strived for self-perfection, working with Dr. Pierce on a daily basis for over 12 years reinforced in me two very important things that I always think about. One was purpose in life and the other was responsibility to my race as a White man. Very few people today think of purpose in life or responsibility.
KAS: I agree with you. When did you first meet William Pierce?
EG: I first met Dr. Pierce back in 1990, shortly after I joined the National Alliance. I drove down from Cleveland to West Virginia -- it actually took me an hour to get up his driveway at that time, it was so overgrown, rocky and bumpy. And Dr. Pierce was the only person living on the property at that time.
KAS: I remember those days.
EG: Yes. He was a bit cautious when he met me, for good reason -- as he would be when he met anyone for the first time. He and I seemed to hit it off right away, and he saw that I was very passionate about what I wanted to do for the organization. As soon as I joined the Alliance, I was a ball of fire. I tried to do something every chance I got -- and if I wasn't doing something, I was at least thinking about doing something for the Cause.
KAS: Can you tell us a few of the things you did, initially?
EG: On my first visit to the National Office, I brought with me about $1,000. I loaded up my car with copies of Turner Diaries, Hunter, Best of Attack books as well as book catalogues, stickers, flyers... And I started manning a table at gun shows. And I eventually started recruiting members, one at a time. I also kept a stack of flyers in my car, and every day, on the way home from work, I would stop at different parking lots and put flyers on windshields.
KAS: You have one of the best personal recruiting records of anyone in the Alliance, ever -- isn't that true?
EG: That's what I've been told. (laughter) My success in recruiting can be attributed to a few things. One is persistence. And I was always trying to think of new ideas, new ways to get our message out, new ways to reach people. And I was always very patient with potential recruits. As a matter of fact, it took me three years to recruit one man who is now one of the best members we have. That was three years of calling him every other day, sending him literature several times a week, and sort of stroking him along. I was very patient with him. And since he joined, he's also been a ball of fire.
KAS: Excellent.
EG: Also, I was never afraid to try new things -- and I was never afraid of failure. If I failed at something, I would chalk it up as a learning experience and I would try something else.
KAS: You've got that 'never give up' mentality that Dr. Pierce had, too.
EG: Absolutely. And I can draw an analogy to my boxing days: There were times when I was fighting when I would swallow some heavy leather, and my cobwebs might have been a bit shook up. But I bit down hard, and then I knew that the only way for my opponent to beat me was to kill me -- and I wasn't ready to die.
KAS: (laughter) Now, as time went on, after you did all of this recruiting work, eventually Dr. Pierce made use of your talents at a higher level. Can you tell me about that?
EG: Almost right off the bat, he appointed me to be the Cleveland Unit Coordinator, and I began building up a Local Unit in Cleveland.
KAS: What year was that?
EG: That was in late 1990. At the time, the Cleveland Local Unit was the only Unit the Alliance had. We didn't have another Unit until 1993, when we formed the New York Local Unit.
I remember Dr. Pierce telling me all the time "Keep it up. Keep going. Help the Alliance get over the hump," and eventually other Units would be formed and the ball would get rolling. And that's what I did. I try to use the Cleveland Unit as an example for others to follow.
KAS: And several years later you became involved in Resistance Records.
EG: Yes. About five years ago, Dr. Pierce asked me to run Resistance Records, a pro-White music company which he had purchased earlier that year. I thought about it, and decided that I would give it my best shot, even though I had not worked in the music industry before. I knew the direction that Dr. Pierce wanted to take the record company as well as the music, and I knew what the big picture was. We needed to recruit more young people.
I realized that a lot of young people today simply do not read -- whether it's because of short attention spans, whether it's because of so many distractions like 300-channel cable televisions and so forth. I also realized that almost all young people listen to music, a lot of them listening to popular music, to rock music they hear on the radio. They listen to this music over and over again, and eventually the lyrics will become embedded in their minds. If there was a pro-White message in the lyrics, one might hope that that would become embedded in their minds -- and they would start thinking about things, start asking questions, and develop a sense of racial consciousness if they didn't already have one.
KAS: Let's go back in time, just for a moment, before we go on with Resistance. When did you first hear of the National Alliance and mesh that in with your already-developed racial consciousness?
EG: Well, it wasn't until 1989 that I found out about the National Alliance. Up until that point -- though I'd always been racially conscious -- I never knew of any organization in which I could have used my talents to further the Cause. I just didn't see anything out there.
Then in 1989 an elderly German man handed me a copy of National Vanguard. I read the publication cover to cover, and it just totally blew my mind that there was something out there so intelligently written, expressing everything exactly the way I felt. I guess you could say Dr. Pierce's writing moved my racial soul. So I ordered a couple back issues of the magazine, and along with that came a book catalogue. I opened it up, and, lo and behold, there were hundreds of books that I'd always wanted to read but didn't know where to find them. I began ordering one book after another.
And eventually I knew what I had to do. I realized that I had to join the National Alliance. There were no ifs, ands, or buts about it. I joined, and...
KAS: And in less than two years, you were heading the Cleveland Unit, and making it an example for others to follow.
We'll continue our interview with National Alliance Chairman Erich Gliebe next week on American Dissident Voices. Be sure to be listening as we discuss Mr. Gliebe's role in the building and evolution of Resistance Records, the severe tests and challenges the National Alliance faced after the untimely death of Dr. Pierce, the tremendous moment of decision when Mr. Gliebe accepted his new leadership role, and the importance of the National Alliance for the future of our race.
I know that subscribers will be pleased when the all-new, full-color National Vanguard magazine number 124 is in their hands. It's at the printers now. Here's some of what you're going to find inside:
'Determination,' my editorial which concludes that relentlessly pursuing our goals will keep us strong as Jewish power inevitably passes its zenith.
'Selling White Genocide': Writer and attorney Hugh Lincoln looks at the too-slick-by-half betrayal of Whites of Luke Visconti and his new variation on the Jesse Jackson corporate shakedown, DiversityInc.
'Geologic Wonders,' a fiction piece by the brilliant Ben Parker, takes us to the Southwest desert, where something wonderful and unexpected is about to happen to two White hikers.
In our lively Forum section, we offer letters from readers on 'stealth activism,' the trials and triumphs of the National Alliance, the self-limiting nature of intelligence, the reasons why the most advanced race seems to want to cease to exist, and much more.
In our important European news section, News from the Homelands, Mark Cotterill brings us an in-depth look at the gains and losses for racial nationalist and anti-immigration parties in the recent European elections.
In Situation Terminal, But Not Serious the razor-sharp Bob Whitaker hilariously dissects 'The CIA: Junior Keystone Cops'; and 'Whatever Happened to the Communist Conspiracy?'
In the continuing section of unpublished and out-of-print works by one of the greatest minds of the 20th century, Postscripts by Professor Revilo P. Oliver, Dr. Oliver looks at Carl Gustav Jung and the possibility of a new religious faith for the West in 'A Faith for the Future?'; and in 'Only Yesterday: Revilo Oliver Looks at the Roots of White Decline,' Dr. Oliver takes us on a sometimes funny, often moving journey back to his youth, the America of the 1920s, and traces the roots of White America's present decline to the events and beliefs he saw then.
'Holocaust Commemoration, Part I,' by Irmin Vinson, is much more than a deep analysis of the secular religion, driven by Jewish ethnocentrism, that is growing up around the 'Holocaust.' It is a teaching tool that can open the minds of the unconvinced to the stark reality of the Jewish supremacism that is misruling our nation.
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